Motherhood does not produce a profit for Capitalists and therefore caring for a new baby is not considered valuable effort

Motherhood does not produce a profit for Capitalists and therefore caring for a new baby is not considered valuable effort

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  2. Hudre March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Yeah this is very much an America thing. Most other developed countries have been better than this for decades.

  3. nsfwmodeme March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    And God forbid dads too want to take a leave wanting to bond and have some dad time with his own recently-born kid.

  4. Kostyavl25 March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Actually I got my first job when I was 6 weeks old.

  5. Burke_and_Wills March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    In Australia you get a minimum of 6months paid maternity leave

  6. mrsniperrifle March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    The absolute best is when people are judgmental about you/your partner going back to work in less than “x” weeks.

    My wife caught a rash of shit even from our close friends about not taking 12+ weeks of maternity leave. Like yeah, we would *absolutely love* to stay home with our kid for weeks, or months. But the reality is that we also have to get paid, so we can you know, eat.

    The only silver lining is that our friends and family are amazing, and willing to watch our child for cheap/free. But even if we did want a stranger to watch them, it’s not like we can afford that anyway.

  7. mister_mammoth March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Classic America: we care SO FUCKING MUCH about children until they leave the womb. Then…fuck ‘em

  8. REdEnt March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    New York State, with “The Nation’s Strongest Paid Family Leave Policy” (™ Governor Cuomo, 2016) only gives 8 weeks (up to 12 weeks starting in 2021) paid at a maximum 50% of your average weekly salary but **no higher than the State average weekly salary**.

    This, I remind you, is what the Cuomo administration brags is the “The Nation’s Strongest Paid Family Leave Policy”

  9. creepindacellar March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    motherhood is explicitly beneficial to capitalism. more people more competition for the same number of jobs. they want you to be pregnant and bear as many babies as your body will allow.

  10. Intoutof March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    This one is pretty frustrating because capitalism will never do the right thing here because it wants workers to be producing at all times. It will provide the bare minimum it can by law or that it needs to in order to attract skilled workers. Globalization and increased higher education is making those skilled jobs more competitive, causing the second part of the equation (needing to provide benefits in order to attract workers) much weaker.

    The only way to do the right thing is pro-worker regulations which America is unusually against or afraid of compared to other countries.

    On a side note, China is very pro-women in this regard, but this often causes employers to avoid hiring women to important positions. I believe it is 14 weeks officially, although I have seen a doctor’s note extend it to last nearly a year.

  11. ramidowler March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    The US also has an aging population, for the first time ever, the working age population has decreased. This is thought to be due to economic conditions failing to encourage and support the creation of many new families, and baby boomers retiring.

    It’s also thought it will get worse. More Millennials aren’t well off enough to start a family compared to previous generations, so that will only exacerbate the problem. Side note: immigration is also great at solving this, which is something I wish would take a more prominent role in the immigration debate.

    Staying in the mindset of a capitalist, without regard for the ethical and moral reasons, economically, it would still be the wiser economic choice to instate longer maternity leaves to incentivise and support family makers. This would help reverse the trend of decreasing working population, avoiding a decrease of the size of the labour market.

    A decreased labour market doesn’t just mean higher wages for each remaining workforce member, but higher wages for employers to pay and lower choice. This may decrease the number of jobs. Also, there will be fewer people in the goods market, meaning fewer people with an income willing to buy things. What happens then?

    Socialist programmes and incentives such as paid maternity leave have positive impacts on the economy: A US Joint Economic Committee agrees, here’s their factsheet: [The Economic Benefits of Paid Leave.](—economic-benefits-of-paid-leave.pdf)

    Edit: Fixed cause for shrinking workforce.

  12. pm_me_gold_plz March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    More pointing out how shitty America actually is. Other countries actually have leave and mandatory vacation. But America is really good at propaganda so people think their lives are semi-normal.

  13. exfalsoquodlibet March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    We can’t have people sitting around doing things with mere use value and no exchange value. How can we ever make the GDP go up with that?

  14. stackdatcheese3 March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    As a work from home dad who gets to spend every minute with his son, I feel really bad for people – mothers and father’s alike who miss THE ONLY chance they’ll ever get at savoring most precious of their baby’s moments. For fucks sake people, it’s time to do something about this!

  15. usernamy March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Have you ever met a human baby? They’re far more useless than a puppy. A puppy will be running around chilling at 8 weeks, granted might be pooping and peeing everywhere. A baby can’t even get up. Pitiful smh. A puppy is much better off at 8 weeks than a human child.

  16. zilla0100 March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    I know it’s incredibly rare, but as a new father I get 6 weeks working for a US company.

  17. Tacosauce3 March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    All of this stresses me out so much. I would love to be a mom, but the financial situation I’m in right now would make that nearly impossible. I’m almost done with my education to be a teacher, but even then my salary and my boyfriend’s would be tight if we decided to have a baby. I’ve basically accepted that, unless something changes, we shouldn’t have kids.
    Don’t get me wrong, we could probably make it work after I graduate, but I feel like the anxiety and money stress would be miserable, so I’ve pretty much decided to just make peace with never being a mom.

  18. copydogg March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Just out of curiosity. Where do you put your children when you go back to work? Where i’m from the mother gets 44 weeks paid leave and we still didn’t feel all that comfortable leaving our daughter in kindergarten when the time came.

  19. laxd13 March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Are you ready for this? If you are a public school teacher in our state (like my wife is), you have to pay for your substitute once your 3 free days are used up. Its about $300 per day to pay a sub. We had to plan the pregnancy for a summer birth so that she wouldn’t have to take time off during the year, but she will end up missing about 3 weeks at the beginning of the year. Due to that, she does not get credit for teaching this year, and she doesn’t get to move up the salary ladder. Its basically punishing teachers twice for having a child!

  20. DrThirdOpinion March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    My wife was born and raised in East Germany.

    She was sent to daycare at six weeks of age and her mother returned to work.

    Daycare was paid for by the state though.

  21. GeekyAine March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    As someone who just had to cut my maternity leave by a month, this wrecked me. And I’m supposed to grovel in gratitude for even having five weeks when most women have none in this country.

  22. honore_ballsac March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Chicago economist Gary Becker won the Nobel Prize for those ideas, i.e. family = expense.

  23. Looshnog55 March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Maybe if you could sell your babies at 8 weeks this wouldn’t even be an issue. I’m tired of these capitalist pigs telling me what I can and can’t do with my OWN babies. If my babies were steam engines they’d let me sell them in a heartbeat, that’s America for you.

  24. CanaGUC March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Well… That’s in the US. Other countries have normal maternity leave…

  25. Rich_Comey_Quan March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    That’s not true… The hospital charges you thousands for that baby!

  26. auronvi March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    I think a lot of the child-free people are born out of this need in America that your self worth is completely dependent on producing for an employer. Most arguments against having children have to do with getting in the way of their career and making money.

    I have been depressed for the last few months. It was bad. I would “work from home” and end up sleeping through most of my work day. I am not proud of it but I didn’t know how to fix it. I would work in the evening and late at night to try and make up for it. I was a mess. Do you know what fixed my depression? Forcing my ass to get up and go into the office and do work. Now… I feel better. I feel like I get stuff done. I am more exhausted now but I don’t feel like a piece of shit.

    I think it’s fucked up how much of my self worth is tied to how much profit I can make for my employer.

  27. NorwaySwede March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Norway has 9 months paid leave. You can extend another 3 months that is unpaid but ur job is still safe so to say.

  28. dixiedownunder March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    I’m a dad. Got the afternoon off. Lol
    Was just so happy it went well that I didn’t mind. I was just happy.

  29. spqr-king March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    I know this isn’t the same thing but I had to go back to work the next day. As someone who wanted to be an involved father because I didn’t have one that was hard and my wife couldn’t even drive herself at the time so I had to take off and lose hours just to bring her home. After that it’s all – sorry babe can you change her because I don’t want to put her on the dirty bathroom floor and this place doesn’t have a changing table in the men’s room… we all got it rough out here even though society says parenting is so important. I wish we would act on our values rather than just talking about them.

  30. quiet_pills March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    I’d like to see at least 6 months paid maternity and paternity leave.

  31. Kitundu March 13, 2018 / 11:43 pm

    Productivity > mothers being able to witness the growth of their child and spend priceless time with them as they grow

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