12 thoughts on “Spy poisoning: Novichok inventor says hundreds could be at risk for years after exposure.

  1. JazzFan418 March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    >These agents were designed to achieve four objectives:

    * To be undetectable using standard NATO chemical detection equipment;

    * To defeat NATO chemical protective gear;

    * To be safer to handle;

    * To circumvent the Chemical Weapons Convention list of controlled precursors, classes of chemical and physical form.

    >All these objectives were claimed to have been achieved.

    >Symptoms include involuntary contraction of all muscles. This then leads to respiratory and cardiac arrest (as the victim’s heart and diaphragm muscles no longer function normally) and finally death from heart failure or suffocation as copious fluid secretions fill the victim’s lungs.

    Fucking hell, I can’t believe countries set out to create things like this.

  2. kyperion March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    Nerve Gas is actually no fucking joke.

    It is one of the worst ways to die because you literally lose all control of your bodily functions.

    This is because what old style Nerve Gas does is constantly fire off your nerves and muscles so that they go ballistic without your intent.

    This can result in these symptoms in order from least worrying to holy hell…

    Runny nose, blurred vision, weak limbs, constant dizzyness, increasing pain in the chest, loss of motor controls, extreme uncontrollable seizures, loss of breathing, and your organs just fucking stop.

    Now if this ain’t enough to scare you then this will…

    Unlike old Nerve Gas where you actually had a chance to survive if you were affected. New style Nerve Gas is like if someone mixed old style nerve gas with every known deadly chemical on Earth, and mated it with mustard gas.

    You will most likely be affected within seconds upon first contact, with all of the same symtoms above.

    If it detonates miles from you but the wind is blowing in your direction, you’re fucked. If it detonates above you, you’re fucked. If it detonates near you, you’re fucked. If it detonates near a city, then everyone in that city including you are fucked. If it detonates and you go back in weeks later, you’re fucked. Small amount got onto your clothes? Better go buck naked, cause either way you’re fucked. If it got on your skin, you’re fucked.

    It doesn’t care for who you are, when you were born, what side you’re fighting on, or if you even care about the war. If nerve gas detonates anywhere close to you, you’re fucked. And when I say close I don’t mean within a couple of feet or miles. I mean if you’re even in the same city, town, county, and etc. They’re made specifically to spread if they become aerosolized. And they can become aerosolized easily.

    There’s a reason why Nerve Gases are considered WMDs, and that’s because it does a significant amount of damage to both strategic military targets. And unsuspecting innocent bystanders including animal and plant life.

    It ain’t no joke, and I hope this post explains to you why Russia’s actions are extremely severe and can’t be taken lightly.


  3. positive_X March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    It always seems that our technology outpaces our human ethics .

  4. rtft March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    He was not the inventor … “He was head of a counter-intelligence department that performed measurements outside the chemical weapons facilities to make sure that foreign spies could not detect any traces of production. ”


    Misleading article.

  5. autotldr March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](http://news.sky.com/story/spy-poisoning-novichok-inventor-says-hundreds-could-be-at-risk-for-years-11287880) reduced by 79%. (I’m a bot)
    > "But responding to an inquiry from Sky News, Dr Jenny Harries, Deputy Medical Director at Public Health England, said:"PHE has been working very closely with the police and national experts on chemical weapons since the start of the incident and our risk assessment is based on knowledge of the chemical used.

    > More than two decades ago, Dr Mirzayanov became so concerned about novichok that he blew the whistle and fled to America, where he campaigned to get all chemical weapons banned.

    > Dr Mirzayanov said that novichok, which means "Newcomer", can be made from two separate compounds similar to chemicals used in agriculture, and which crucially are not on the chemical weapons convention banned list.

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  6. mng8ng March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    Don’t know why this isn’t higher up. This is extremely serious seeing that the British people are being told the danger is of low risk. Quite the contrary.

  7. unlawfulsoup March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    It is mind-blowing that after VX someone is like ‘oh hey lets make something infinitely worse’. The hubris of man knows no bounds.

  8. Scrapple666 March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    How long until Russia starts using it in the US against people they don’t like?

  9. jrm2007 March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    Fuck. Who would work on something like this? These long term/permanent effects: what is the point? I can see causing immediate problems but why something that lasts for years? What is the military objective here?

    I think of how much of stuff like this I was exposed to living in an area with a lot of agricultural spraying, hoping that stuff doesn’t work the same way.

  10. RamazanBlack March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    A little bit of translation — “Novichok” means novice in russian

  11. jrm2007 March 14, 2018 / 1:40 pm

    We have to do everything we can to avoid this being used. Can this fall into the hands of terrorists? Can a state that sponsors terrorism develop this without Russian help?

    What the fuck are we doing in the 21st century like this? The World needs to move forward together, do the good stuff, not waste time worrying about the bad stuff like this and especially not *doing* bad things like this.

    Russia needs to learn that there are economic consequences to such actions. We need a US president who will work with Great Britain in this, not be neutral or God forbid actually support a power that does this kind of stuff.

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